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   医者と国T官僚 どっちがエライ?    

1 :ワカゾー:02/08/02 12:10
年収・地位・評判・名誉・モテ度・難易度・等々

どっちがいいですか?決着つけてオイラにおせーて

2 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/02 12:16
2get

3 :3:02/08/02 14:07
なれんから関係無いでしょ

4 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/02 15:48
医者は収入やる気次第

5 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/02 15:54
ちんちんしこしこ

6 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/02 16:46
>>5
氏ね 

7 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 06:26
age


8 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 07:20
しこしこしこしこ

9 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 16:03
官僚>医者

帝京出ても医者にはなれるため

10 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 16:40
人によってちゃうやん

キムタク好きいうやつおったら
嫌いっていうやつもおるし

11 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 17:01
官僚>医者

帝京出ても開業医になって金稼げるが、
官僚は東大出てないと上に上がれず、
中途半端で外に出されるため

12 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 17:02
逆だった
官僚<医者

13 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 17:08
>12
氏ね

14 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 17:31
俺はキムタクより木村太郎が好きだ。

15 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 17:41
>1
低偏差値医学部卒医師を除けば

医師>>>>>>国Tキャリア

にきまっとるやん

16 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 17:43
文Tと理Vの比較でしか?

17 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 17:51
>1
すべては偏差値に集約されます。
だから関連学部の偏差値を比較
すればすぐわかる。

18 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 18:23
「偏差値」=「商品の価格」
と捉えてみると世間が見える。

マスコミの意見なんてあてになりません

19 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 18:25
結局のとこ、自分が満足するかどうかでしょ

医者になっても、不満そうにしてるやつって結構いるで

20 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/03 19:16
医者は金さえ積めばなれるし試験も超簡単。
キャリアは難しい試験を突破せねばなれない。
だから医者は五万といるけどキャリア官僚の人数は少ない。
それだけに、キャリアになる方が価値は大きいと思う。

21 :1:02/08/04 09:23
>>17
関連学部って 医者⇒医学部 だけど、
官僚は基本的に何学部でもいいと思われ

国Tの合格者は東大卒だけでないし・・・


22 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 09:43
名誉よりも金!
∴国T>>医者

23 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 10:07
>>20
難しいから価値があるって・・・
なにそれ?

24 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 10:19
医者でしょう。
議員>>>官僚(ムネヲ事件でわかる)
医者>>>議員(議員は所詮日本医師会の御用聞き)

よって
   医者>>>官僚

25 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 11:01
医者も勤務医じゃねえ。

26 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 11:54
開業医になれば主だけど
官僚は基本的にずっと誰かの下なんじゃない?
そう思うと官僚がエライにしても
日々はつらいと思うな、命令されたり叱責されたり

27 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 12:35
医者と国T官僚 どっちがエロイ?  

28 :うんこ ◆WIAOFi2. :02/08/04 17:34
どっちのほうが社会に貢献しているかと
考えたら・・・どっちだろ?
個人的にはお医者さんにはお世話になっている気がするけど

29 :1:02/08/04 17:57
35歳モデル賃金だとどんな感じでしょう?
医者はピンキリでしょうが、平均では?

30 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 18:02
ピンキリだとかえって平均に意味はないでしょ。
日本の平均貯蓄が1700万だって、1人が1億持ってて、
他の5人がほとんどゼロでも平均がそのくらいになってしまう。

31 : :02/08/04 19:20
厚生省では  医者>>>>官僚

32 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 19:23
医者と言っても街医者が厚生省に陳情しに行って、官僚が話聞くだろうか?
医師会や医師連盟の名で行かなければ。

33 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/04 19:31
このスレのタイトル、発想自体がDQN厨房

34 :1:02/08/04 19:43
じゃ、一旦質問変えて
なれるならドッチ?
その理由も。

35 :>21:02/08/05 11:48
>関連学部って 医者⇒医学部 だけど、
>官僚は基本的に何学部でもいいと思われ

それなら、医学部とその他の学部の偏差値を比較
してみな。どれが一番高い? 一応、医学部から
国家1種をうけるやつなんてほとんどいないかゼロ
だよ。

>国Tの合格者は東大卒だけでないし・・・

国Tの内定者で見た方がよい。内定者に占める
東大卒のシェアは圧倒的。他大もいるし、しかも
医学部以外のやつばかり。


36 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/05 11:51
>>35
訂正で須磨祖

×:のやつばかり。
○:のやつばかり。ということは...

37 :名無し東文T級さん:02/08/06 14:07
>>35

言ってること矛盾してるぞ 文章変だし
何言いたいの?通訳すると「医学部マンセ〜」ってことか?

大体、医学部生が国T受けるわけねぇ〜じゃんアフォ
そーいう話ししてると違うんじゃ 
偏差値大好きマザコン厨房は浪人しないようにお勉強ちまちょ〜ね〜




38 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/06 14:15
 ┌─────────┐
 │ 基地外警報!!!  |
 │   基地外警報!! |
 └―――──――――┘
      ヽ(´ー`)ノ
         (  へ)
          く

39 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/06 14:19
スレの趣旨と異なることは承知で書き込み。
医歯薬系で、一番気楽で収入も良いのは、薬剤師じゃないでしょうか。
医学部内に薬科があるとこだと、医学科生と懇ろにもなれます。

国Tは、究極的な昇進は個人的素養にかなり影響されますし、人間的に凡庸だと
単なるサラリーマンレベルに留まってしまいますよね。バックボーンがないと、
政界デビューは無理でしょうし。

40 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/06 22:54
国1は、医学部に入れなかった大多数の人たちが
受ける試験。倍率だけはやたら高い(ぷ

41 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/06 22:58
人生なにごとも偏差値。

42 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/06 23:08
>国Tは、究極的な昇進は個人的素養にかなり影響されますし

個人的素養よりも東大法学部卒の肩書き&世渡り能力
という要素の方が大きいのでは

43 :決定:02/08/07 01:09
医者(三流医学部卒除く)>>>>>>>国1

終了

44 :ねずみの嫁入り:02/08/07 01:23
厚生労働省職員は医療関連の法律をつくる。  厚労省国1>医師
日本医師会は厚生労働省に圧力をかける。   医師会職員>厚労省国1
日本医師会の職員は医師に頭が上がらない。  医師>医師会職員


45 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/07 01:52
終了

46 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/13 10:26
医者

47 :名無し検定1級さん:02/08/15 15:10
pinnkiri

48 :6:02/09/10 10:27
'you know, in the very moment the door swung to behind me, i forgot
the road with its fallen cheatnut leaves, its cabs and tradesmen's carts, i
forgot the soft of gravitatational pull back to the discipline and obedience
of home, i forgot all hesitations and fear, forgot discretion, forgot all the
intimate realities of this of this life. i became in a moment a very glad and
wonder-happy little boy -in another world.


49 :6:02/09/10 19:55
it was a world with a
different quality, a warmer, more penetrating and mellower light, with a
faint clear gladness in its are, and wisps of sun-touched cloud in the
blueness of its sky.and before me ran this long, wide path, invitingly,
with weedless beds on either side, rich with untended flowers, and these
two great panthers.

50 :6:02/09/10 19:59
i put my little hands fearlessly on their soft fur, and
caressed their round ears and the sensitve corners under their ears, and
played with them, and it was though they welcomed me home.

51 :4:02/09/10 20:18
'if i'm right in at, i was about five years and four months old.'
he was, he said, rather a precocious little boy-he learned to talk at an
abnormally early age, and he was so sane and 'old-fashioned', as people
say, that he was permitted an amount of initiative that most children
scarcely attain by seven or eight. his mother died when he was two, and
he was under the less vigilant and authoritative care of a nursery
governess. his father was a stern, preoccupied lawyer, who gavehim
little attention and expected great things of him, for all his brightness he
found life grey and dull, i and one day he wandered.

52 :名無し検定1級さん:02/09/10 20:25
he could not recall the particular neglect that enabled him to get away,
nor the course he took among the west kensington roads. all that had
faded among the incurable blurs of memory. but the white wall and the
green door stood out quite distinctly.

53 :4:02/09/10 20:33
as his memory of that childish experience ran, he did at the very first
sight of that door experience a peculiar emotion, an attraction, a desire to
get to door and open it and walk in. and at the same time he had the
clearest conviction that either it was unwise or it was wrong of him-he
could not tell which-to yield to this attraction.

54 :名無し検定1級さん:02/09/10 20:37
he insisted upon it as a
curious thing that he know from the very beginning-unless memory has
played him the queerest trick-that the door was unfastened, and that he
could go in as he chose.

55 :名無し検定1級さん:02/09/10 20:41
i seem to see the figure of that little boy, drawn and repelled. and it
was very clear in his mind, too, though why it should be so was never
explained, that his father would be very angry if he went in through that
door.

56 :2:02/09/10 20:54
that much the reader must judge for himself.
i forget now what chance comment or criticism of mine moved so
reticent a man to confide in me. he was, i think, defending himself
against an imputation of slackness and unreliability i had made, in
relation to a great public movement in which he had disappointed me.
but he plunget suddenly. 'i have.' he said, 'a preoccuation-

57 :2:02/09/10 21:01
'i know,' he went on, after a pause, 'i have been negligent. the
fact is-it ist't a case of ghosts or apparitions-but-iy's an odd thing to
tell of, redmond-i am haunted. i am haunted by something-that rather
takes the light out of things, that fills me with longing...'


58 :2:02/09/10 21:06
he paused, chedked by that english shyness that so often overcomes
us when we would speak of moving or grave or beautiful things. 'you
were at saint althelstan7s all through,' he said, and for a moment that

59 :名無し検定1級さん:02/09/10 21:15
seemed to me quite irrelevant. 'well-' and he paused. then very
haltingly at first, but afterwards more easily, he began to tell of the thing
that was hidden in his life, the haunting memory of a beauty and a
happiness that filled his heart with insatiable longings, that made all the
interests and spectacle of worldly life seem dull and tedious and vain to
him.

60 :名無し検定1級さん:02/09/10 21:21
now that i have the clue to it, the thing seems written visibly in his
fase. i have a photograph in which that look of detachment has been
caught and intensified. it reminds me of what a woman once said of
him-a woman who had loved him greatly. 'suddenly,' she said, 'the
interest goes out of him. he forgets you. he doesn't care a rap for you-
under his very nose ...'

61 : :02/09/11 21:12
@ That much the reader must judge for himself.
A He paused, chedked by that english shyness that so often overcomes
us when we would speak of moving or grave or beautiful things.
B Now that i have the clue to it, the thing seems written visibly in his
fase.

62 :4:02/09/11 22:37
C'If I'm right in that, I was about five years and four months old.'
D His father was a stern, preoccupied lawyer, who gavehim
little attention and expected great things of him.
E And at the same time he had the
clearest conviction that either it was unwise or it was wrong of him-he
could not tell which-to yield to this attraction.


63 :2:02/09/12 15:54
That much the reader must judge for himself.
i forget now what chance comment or criticism of mine moved so
reticent a man to confide in me. he was, i think, defending himself
against an imputation of slackness and unreliability i had made, in
relation to a great public movement in which he had disappointed me.
but he plunged suddenly. 'I have.' he said, 'a preoccupation-



'I know,' he went on, after a pause, 'I have been negligent. the
fact is-it ist't a case of ghosts or apparitions-but-iy's an odd thing to
tell of, Redmond-i am haunted. i am haunted by something-that rather
takes the light out of things, that fills me with longing...'


64 :2:02/09/12 15:58
He paused, checked by that English shyness that so often overcomes
us when we would speak of moving or grave or beautiful things. 'you
were at saint althelstan7s all through,' he said, and for a moment that



seemed to me quite irrelevant. 'well-' and he paused. then very
haltingly at first, but afterwards more easily, he began to tell of the thing
that was hidden in his life, the haunting memory of a beauty and a
happiness that filled his heart with insatiable longings, that made all the
interests and spectacle of worldly life seem dull and tedious and vain to
him.


65 :2:02/09/12 16:01
Now that I have the clue to it, the thing seems written visibly in his
face. I have a photograph in which that look of detachment has been
caught and intensified. it reminds me of what a woman once said of
him-a woman who had loved him greatly. 'suddenly,' she said, 'the
interest goes out of him. he forgets you. he doesn't care a rap for you-
under his very nose ...'




66 :4:02/09/12 16:59
'If I'm right in at, I was about five years and four months old.'
he was, he said, rather a precocious little boy-he learned to talk at an
abnormally early age, and he was so sane and 'old-fashioned', as people
say, that he was permitted an amount of initiative that most children
scarcely attain by seven or eight. his mother died when he was two, and
he was under the less vigilant and authoritative care of a nursery
governess. his father was a stern, preoccupied lawyer, who gave him
little attention and expected great things of him, for all his brightness he
found life grey and dull, I and one day he wandered.




he could not recall the particular neglect that enabled him to get away,
nor the course he took among the west Kensington roads. all that had
faded among the incurable blurs of memory. but the white wall and the
green door stood out quite distinctly.



67 :4:02/09/12 17:02
As his memory of that childish experience ran, he did at the very first
sight of that door experience a peculiar emotion, an attraction, a desire to
get to door and open it and walk in. and at the same time he had the
clearest conviction that either it was unwise or it was wrong of him-he
could not tell which-to yield to this attraction.



He insisted upon it as a
curious thing that he know from the very beginning-unless memory has
played him the queerest trick-that the door was unfastened, and that he
could go in as he chose.



I seem to see the figure of that little boy, drawn and repelled. and it
was very clear in his mind, too, though why it should be so was never
explained, that his father would be very angry if he went in through that
door.



68 :6:02/09/12 18:06
Wallace mused before he went on telling me. 'you see,' he said, with
the doubtful inflection of a man who pauses at incredible things, 'there
were two great panthers there. ... yes, spotted panthers. and i was not
afraid. there was a long wide path with marble-edged flower borders on
either side, and these two huge velvety beasts were playing there with a
ball. one looked up and came towards me, a little curious as it seemed. it
came right up to me, rubbed its soft round ear very gently against the
small hand i held out, and purred its soft round ear very gently against the
i know. and the size? oh! it stretched far and wide, this way and that. i
believe there were hills far away. heaven knows where west
Kensington had suddenly got to. and somehow it was just like coming
home.


69 :6:02/09/12 18:14
You know, in the very moment the door swung to behind me, I forgot
the road with its fallen chestnut leaves, its cabs and tradesmen's carts, I
forgot the soft of gravitatiational pull back to the discipline and obedience
of home, i forgot all hesitations and fear, forgot discretion, forgot all the
intimate realities of this of this life. i became in a moment a very glad and
wonder-happy little boy -in another world.



it was a world with a
different quality, a warmer, more penetrating and mellower light, with a
faint clear gladness in its are, and wisps of sun-touched cloud in the
blueness of its sky. And before me ran this long, wide path, invitingly,
with weedless beds on either side, rich with untended flowers, and these
two great panthers.



I put my little hands fearlessly on their soft fur, and
caressed their round ears and the sensitive corners under their ears, and
played with them, and it was though they welcomed me home.


70 :8:02/09/12 18:31
'But it's odd-there's a gap in my memory. I don't remember the
games we played. I never remembered. afterwards, as a child, i spent
long hours trying, even with recall the form of that happiness. I
wanted to play it all over again-in my nursery-by myself. no! all I
remember is the happiness and two dear playfellows who were most with
me...



Then presently came a sombre dark woman, with a grave, pale face
and dreamy eyes, a sombre woman, wearing a soft, long robe of pale
purple, who carried a book, and beckoned and took me aside with her
into a gallery above a hall-though my playmates were loth to have me
go, and ceased their game and stood watching as i was carried
away.


71 :名無し検定1級さん:02/09/12 18:40
"Come back to us!"they cried. "come back to us soon!" I
looked up at her face, but she heeded them not at all. her face was very
gentle and grave, she took me to a seat in the gallery, and i stood
beside her, ready to look at her book as she opend it upon her knee. the
pages fell open. she pointed, and i looked, marvwlling, for in the living
pages of that book i saw myself; it was a story about myself, and init
were all the things that had happened to me since ever i was born...
'it was wonderful to me, because the pages of that book were not
pictures, you understand, but realities.'
wallace paused gravely-looked at me doubtfully
'go on' i said. 'i understand.'



Wallace mused before he went on telling me. 'you see,' he said, with
the doubtful inflection of a man who pauses at incredible things, 'there
were two great panthers there. ... yes, spotted panthers. and i was not
afraid. there was a long wide path with marble-edged flower borders on
either side, and these two huge velvety beasts were playing there with a
ball. one looked up and came towards me, a little curious as it seemed. it
came right up to me, rubbed its soft round ear very gently against the
small hand i held out, and purred its soft round ear very gently against the
i know. and the size? oh! it stretched far and wide, this way and that. i
believe there were hills far away. heaven knows where west
kensington had suddenly got to. and somehow it was just like coming
home.


72 :10:02/09/12 18:46
"Poor little chap," said he; "and are you lost then?"-and me a london boy of
five and more! and he must needs bring in a kindly young policeman and
make a crowd of me, and so march me home. sobbing,conspicuous, and
frighatened, i came bake from the enchanted garden to the steps of my
father's house.


'that is as well as i can remember my vision of that garden-the
garden that haunts me still. of course, i can convey nothing of that
indescribable quality of shining unreality, that difference from the
common things of experience that hung about it all; but that-that is what
happenwd. if it was a dream, i am sure it was a day-time and altogether
extraordinary dream...h'm-naturally there followed a terrible
questionin, by my aunt, my father, thenurse, the governess-everyone...






'i tried to tell them, and my father gave me my first thrashing for telling
lies. when afterwards i tried to tell my aunt, she punished me again for
my wicked persistence. than, as i said, everyone was forbidden to
listen to me, to hear a word about it. even my fairy- tale books werw taken
away from me for a time-because i was too "imaginative".eh? yes,
they did that! my father had old-fashioned ideas... and my story was
driven back upon myself.




73 :6:02/09/14 22:46
wallace mused before he went on telling me. 'you see,' he said, with
the doubtful inflection of a man who pauses at incredible things, 'there
were two great panthers there. ... yes, spotted panthers. and i was not
afraid. there was a long wide path with marble-edged flower borders on
either side, and these two huge velvety beasts were playing there with a
ball. one looked up and came towards me, a little curious as it seemed. it
came right up to me, rubbed its soft round ear very gently against the
small hand i held out, and purred its soft round ear very gently against the
i know. and the size? oh! it stretched far and wide, this way and that. i
believe there were hills far away. heaven knows where west
kensington had suddenly got to. and somehow it was just like coming
home.


74 :名無し検定1級さん:02/09/14 22:47
'you know, in the very moment the door swung to behind me, i forgot
the road with its fallen cheatnut leaves, its cabs and tradesmen's carts, i
forgot the soft of gravitatational pull back to the discipline and obedience
of home, i forgot all hesitations and fear, forgot discretion, forgot all the
intimate realities of this of this life. i became in a moment a very glad and
wonder-happy little boy -in another world.



49 :6 :02/09/10 19:55
it was a world with a
different quality, a warmer, more penetrating and mellower light, with a
faint clear gladness in its are, and wisps of sun-touched cloud in the
blueness of its sky.and before me ran this long, wide path, invitingly,
with weedless beds on either side, rich with untended flowers, and these
two great panthers.


50 :6 :02/09/10 19:59
i put my little hands fearlessly on their soft fur, and
caressed their round ears and the sensitve corners under their ears, and
played with them, and it was though they welcomed me home.


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